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sarahbear42

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Orchestra Stage Management & Unions/Pay Rates
« on: Jun 20, 2008, 11:31 am »
This is my first post here, I've been googling all over the place and can't find what I'm looking for so hopefully someone here will know...

I've just been hired on as SM for a chamber orchestra. Previously the only work I've done has been in theatre and the occasional musical, and all of my professional SM work has been for non-union companies... so I don't really know all that much about union work beyond Equity, IATSE, etc-- the stuff they teach you in college.

The first "assignment" I've been given by the orchestra is to find out what the union would be for an orchestra SM, and more specifically to find out the pay scales that would be used there. I'm not sure if the musicians for the orchestra are unionized or not-- it's a small company that right now flies in artists for concerts, but they're in the process of becoming a full-time professional orchestra, so they're wanting to start out on the right foot and be professional about everything.

Any help/links/info you all can give me would be great! Right now they're paying me hourly based on what I've made previously, but something tells me the standard rates are probably better than what I make now!

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Re: Orchestra Stage Management & Unions/Pay Rates
« Reply #1 on: Jun 20, 2008, 01:12 pm »
I would contact the American Federation of Musicians in regards to your questions.  I think it's the first place to start.
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Re: Orchestra Stage Management & Unions/Pay Rates
« Reply #2 on: Jun 20, 2008, 05:17 pm »
Another option is to contact the American Symphony Orchestra League - the professional association for orchestras.  They may be able to point you in the right direction.

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Re: Orchestra Stage Management & Unions/Pay Rates
« Reply #3 on: Jun 22, 2008, 09:52 am »
The stage manager for the symphony here is IATSE and is paid on those rates and regulations.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 23, 2008, 12:39 pm »
Our local symphony doesn't have a SM - there's a stagehand that does some basic stage management duties, but he's really just the deck hand on the call, so covered by the venue's IATSE agreement.  I'll ask my symphony contact if he knows anything - I know there's a musician's union, our symphony is a member.  But I have no idea if it covers SMs or not.

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« Reply #5 on: Jul 03, 2008, 10:53 am »
I work as a stage manager for various orchestras. There isn't a union per se, but you could look into seeing if you can join IATSE.

If you want more advise feel free to PM me. The world of classical music is way different than the theatre world.

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Re: Orchestra Stage Management & Unions/Pay Rates
« Reply #6 on: Jul 04, 2008, 02:46 pm »
My symphony contact got back to me with the word that he's pretty sure that there's no union specifically for symphony or orchestra SMs, or even technicians.  I think the only union that you could be a SM member of is Equity, though I'm not sure whether Equity has any rules that cover symphony or orchestra contracts.  Might be a good question for the Hardline forum.

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« Reply #7 on: Jul 07, 2008, 08:23 am »
I have encountered true stage managers in the symphonic world only very rarely. More often, there is a staff member who is either called the Production Manager or Company Manager, and they handle setup, riders, tech schedules, house needs, etc. After loading into a house, the house SM (who is IATSE) is given a cue sheet - along with all riders and schedules, etc - and they call the show. Or this orchestra staff person calls the show themselves. Usually they're only calling curtain/lights up and then 2 hours later, curtain in/lights down.

Whether your musicians are union will be extremely important to set the parameters of how you work with them. Often with an AFM orchestra, one of the orchestra members is the official attendance taker and schedule creator for the musicians. This person is also union, and must be by contract. If a musician is late, they are docked pay - also by contract. But the musicians and the union require that this is all handled exclusively by union members. So in my experience, this means that you are handed the schedule from this musician union schedule person (and it's always accurate, correct, and acceptable - again, in my experience), and if a musician is late, you - the SM - are absolutely not allowed to call them. The union schedule person does this. Oh, and your SM watch gets synched to the union schedule person's watch so you both agree on downbeat time, etc.

But if you are working with a small chamber ensemble, it sounds unlikely that they are union (yet). And they probably need someone to handle venue issues and bring the lights up at the beginning of the show. It's great that they want to raise the bar of professionalism by making this position union. I think IATSE might apply the best in this situation.

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Re: Orchestra Stage Management & Unions/Pay Rates
« Reply #8 on: Jul 11, 2008, 12:11 pm »
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I have encountered true stage managers in the symphonic world only very rarely. More often, there is a staff member who is either called the Production Manager or Company Manager, and they handle setup, riders, tech schedules, house needs, etc. After loading into a house, the house SM (who is IATSE) is given a cue sheet - along with all riders and schedules, etc - and they call the show. Or this orchestra staff person calls the show themselves. Usually they're only calling curtain/lights up and then 2 hours later, curtain in/lights down.

That's about how its handled here.  My symphony contact is their Operations Manager, and I'm the SM with the building, and we work out what they're going to do for each show, if it differs from the 'norm', or if they have a group that's coming in to play with them that has a rider.  I then brief the union steward on the call, and they run the show.  Not that its terribly complicated - the deck hand/steward will give a over-all start, but then the lighting guy pretty much runs his own show.  If there's anything fancier then normal lighting, he's just created it by playing around during rehearsal.

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Re: Orchestra Stage Management & Unions/Pay Rates
« Reply #9 on: Jul 16, 2008, 07:26 pm »
Just to give an update, in the end I handed the artistic director for the orchestra a copy of the IATSE pay rates I could find, and she's going to pay me based on the rate I'd be getting for IATSE work. (I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop... who ever heard of an employer asking if she can pay you more than you agreed to at hiring?) In a month or two when my current show winds down I'm going to contact my local chapter about membership and this particular situation-- I had planned on trying to get onboard with IATSE just to do some income-filling crew work as I could, so joining was already on my to-do list.

Thanks for all the great feedback!

 

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