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Technical Riders
« on: Nov 04, 2009, 02:25 pm »
Hello,
I am a non-union stage manager/company manager/production manager looking for a sample tech rider or template to work from for a cabaret-style troupe (sound, light, set requirements). I have come up with riders in the past, but would like further direction. Any advise? THANKS!

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Re: Technical Riders
« Reply #1 on: Nov 04, 2009, 03:01 pm »
I work in a road house and deal with 5 riders per week.  Some are 10-15 pages long while others are summed up in "1 W/L microphone (handheld), 1 DS special, general lighting."

If you'd like, you can email/pm me your rider and I'll see if there is anything that should be clarified.

As a general rule, I'd rather get way too much information than have surprises during load-in.

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Re: Technical Riders
« Reply #2 on: Nov 05, 2009, 11:50 am »
Ditto here - I work in a road house, and used to tour (and had to make my own rider), so feel free to send me a copy of your rider and I'll go over it.  I might also have an old rider that I had made for a small-scale tour sitting around that I can send off to you.

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Re: Technical Riders
« Reply #3 on: Nov 05, 2009, 10:55 pm »
You should check out the book "The Road Show" by Rena Shagan. It deals with a wide range of issues for touring companies, both large and small.

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Re: Technical Riders
« Reply #4 on: Nov 06, 2009, 10:21 am »
The main thing in a rider is to make sure that your every need, that you don't carry yourself, is listed out - but with variations to accommodate the types of houses you'll play.  Like your crew needs - list the basic, but put add-in lines like "additional riggers, if required to be separate by local contract".  Truck loaders especially are often separate in local contracts.  I always get a chuckle out of the christian band riders, since they play a lot of churches and other non-traditional venues.  They'll actually have two crew lists - one for professional crews, and one if the crews are volunteers.  The volunteer crew list typically has twice the number of hands listed, and goes into very specific details about age, dress, etc. etc.  But their riders are written for the types of venues that they'll play, and the situation that they come across at those venues, so its appropriate.

Dividing your rider into sections is also appropriate - i.e. a proscenium theatre section, an arena section, indoor venue section or outdoor venue section, etc.  I read a lot of stuff about arenas and outdoor set-ups in the riders that cross my desk, since they have to cover all their needs in all the environments that they'll be called to play in.

Listing your typical day is helpful (if you have one), what you're traveling with, etc.  Very important is number of vehicles in your party.  This sounds like a no-brainer, but I can't tell you how many tours come here and can't tell me how many vehicles they have.  Or they forget to mention pertinent things like "oh, yeah, our bus has a 20' trailer on it" or  "Oh, didn't we mentioned the opening act?  They have their own bus and truck - you can park them with no advance notice, right? And unload their truck at no extra expense, even though the truck loaders were dismissed earlier?"  Parking is an issue almost everywhere and the venue needs to know what you're bringing.

Current and correct contact information for venue questions is a must; you never know what odd thing a particular venue has to deal with that they'll willingly call you in advance to sort out.  I have a manual pit - it takes 5 guys an hour to drop it.  So, a rider might causally mention that they want the pit down, but its not something that can be done in advance here unless a promoter gives the authorization for a separate crew call to do it.

Please also go over your rider for typos.  I recently had a rider cross my desk that said in the crew needs section: 

2 house spot ops
house electrician
2 spotlight operators

And then in the lighting section:  We need two (3) spot lights.  [exact wording]

I sat for several minutes scratching my head - do they need two, three or four spot ops?

The main thing to think about when writing a rider is to take nothing for granted.  Do not assume a single thing - about available weight, ability to lag into a floor, parking, lighting availability, dressing rooms, sound, loading docks, power, etc..  I had a promoter assume once that I had a full concert lighting and sound set-up.  He got a shock when I said "No, I'm a road house - I got 40 parcans in the basement, but that's it"  Heck, one time when I was working with a small touring company I showed up somewhere and they had lied about even having a stage!

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« Last Edit: Nov 06, 2009, 10:32 am by centaura »

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Re: Technical Riders
« Reply #5 on: Nov 06, 2009, 01:00 pm »
I always get a chuckle out of the christian band riders, since they play a lot of churches and other non-traditional venues.  They'll actually have two crew lists - one for professional crews, and one if the crews are volunteers.  The volunteer crew list typically has twice the number of hands listed, and goes into very specific details about age, dress, etc. etc.  But their riders are written for the types of venues that they'll play, and the situation that they come across at those venues, so its appropriate.
Ditto.

We had a Christian Rock group in a little while back.  We were the last stop on their tour that had been exclusively at churches.  Their rider laid out that the load out usually takes 2.5-3 hours.  With 4 techs instead of a group of church volunteers (no slight against volunteers intended), we had them packed and out the door in 45 minutes flat.

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Re: Technical Riders
« Reply #6 on: Nov 06, 2009, 01:57 pm »
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With 4 techs instead of a group of church volunteers (no slight against volunteers intended), we had them packed and out the door in 45 minutes flat.

I agree, I have nothing against volunteers, having had to work with them on tour.  But no matter how good some of them were, there were still places that they showed up for load-in and not for load-out.  I dealt with a lot of student crews at college PACs.  They were fine when class wasn't in session, but if they had class that's were they were, and you were without.

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Re: Technical Riders
« Reply #7 on: Nov 06, 2009, 02:46 pm »
UPDATE: Rena Shagan's book has been updated and is now titled "Booking & Tour Management for the Performing Arts" (Allworth Press, ISBN 1581150954)

 

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