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I know this article is in jest . . . but the reality is not every one who is passionate is about stage management is going to make a career in it.  The job market is flooded, truly flooded.  People are hard pressed to make a living at this career . . . it's a simple fact of life and there is no way to sugar coat it.  The sense that I should ONLY do what I am passionate about for my career is a little immature.

To read this article tongue in cheek, he is really trying to say you should pursue what you love as a career - great, that's fine - but the reality is the simple economics may not be able to support your dream, my dream, his dream, their dreams, and then thousands of other people who want to be a stage managers as we well.  I would rather a young person be open up to many possibilities of what they can do, and still live a well round, full life.

One of the many reasons I discourage young people to become stage managers (And trust me, it is my mission in life to open up people to a life without being a stage manager) is there is a world of possibilities in theater that often people don’t quite understand or get expose to early.  In undergrad we had the following options for undergrad students – design, direct, act, crew, writing, stage management, construction (shop work).  We focused on one of these things – like stage management – and we spend the next six to thirty years trying to chase that dream.  Great, there is a world of possibilities there . . . but that’s not everything in theater – there is company management, general management, production management, production supervision, casting, talent management, booking, rentals, touring, concessions, development, fund raising, marketing, producing, box office, house management, patron services, audience development, teaching – and assistants and associate positions for all of the positions – and hosts of different types of performances – other than opera, dance and theatre – movement, puppetry, circus, industrials, events, fashion shows, dolphin shows – and a quick step to the side we have television and film – all of these are options that people can pursue – many of them take the skills of stage management, but offer more stability, less competition, and quite frankly, and not quite “in the fire” as stage management can be.  Don't be so quick to say I AM ONLY GOING TO BE A STAGE MANAGER.  I have seen too many people waste their 20's (and 30's) chasing a dream, only to finally wake up to the fact, the either didn't have what it takes, nor where they really ready for the lifestyle.

I understand, this is our dream, this is our passion.  It’s something we love, and quite frankly, there are lots of things I love – I could really like sex (like most people do), but it’s probably, for those that know me in real life, not very realistic of me to think I can make a living at it  (Ruth and Kay are snickering right now) – although I am sure there is quite a market for forty-something pudgy bearish guys in certain circles.  I would love to be a professional poker player, that’s probably not going to work out for me either.  Video gamer tester – I would kill for that.  But, to be quite honest . . . these are difficult jobs to make a living in – and pay my bills, buy stuff, have a spouse, raise a family, help my son out in college, plan for retirement.  There comes a point when you have to figure out what is important to you, and I am going to tell you a little secret, there a hell of a lot more important things in life then helping a director tell a story and help adults play dress up.   There are things vastly more rewarding then doing Shakespeare in the Park, a Broadway show, a national tour, circus in a foreign country, a new play – but we, as an industry, build these things up as the end all be all of our career – and it takes something more important to come into your life and go, for example, why was it so important to me to be a part of a show in a 42-block area in New York City?

When your passion clouds your judgement - you need a 12-step program (And I have said this before, a career in theater is like a drug addiction - always looking for a next high - seriously, what the hell is going to top working on a 250,000,000 circus in China for me . . . you need to figure out how to break the cycle of addiction . . . and find out what YOU need from this career.)

Now, here’s the secret, you can still do what you love – you may just choose to do NOT as your career.   We in “professional” theater spend a lot of time looking down at “Amateur” or “Community” theatre – but let me tell you, I spent three years of my life while going to grad school working with a fantastic company that cast shows with a mix of “professionals”, “students” and “community” actors – and at the end of the day, it was impossible to tell who was who, other than dealing with conflicts.  I worked with Broadway actor on one of these shows who ended up living in rural life, because he wanted to raise his family outside of New York – I remember looking at him like he was crazy – what could have been better then working on Broadway – and now – I would trade almost anything to live in a nice little cottage on some land, a place for my dogs to run . . . and, when the right show came along, really doing it because I loved it – this job can be a total drag when you HAVE to do it . . . when it stops being exciting because you got the show, but you are taking the next job because you need the health care weeks.  One of the best things we could do in this business is embrace those who do this job out of love, and not for the paycheck.

Okay, okay . . . enough of me on my soap box.  We, and I will put myself in this generation, are ones who feel we are entitled to everything – the perfect life, the perfect mate, the job we enjoy 100% of the time, the career choice we have dreamed about, dream shows, working all the time on Broadway, all the high tech gadgets. . . but the reality is . . . not everyone us is going to live that life.  Of the 15 stage managers I went to grad school with, two of us are doing it full time 12 years out.  (And this is a pretty prestigious grad school.)  Now, let me tell you they are living kick ass lives, doing some amazing jobs – in high profile casting, working in animation, production management, teaching – married, traveling the world, pursing second careers (one in health care), some have gone on to design, and some have quite simply packed up and made a family, and that has become their full time passion.  And I am a little bit jealous.


As my mother said, "It is true, anyone can grow up and be president . . . but not everyone can."  It's just physically impossible for every American to be president.


[Now, still want to pursue a career in stage management – go for it – it is going to take that type of drive, that fortitude as you just used to read through my discouraging, typo filled rant, and still want to do it – don’t, don’t just throw away what advice I offer – do take it to heart – just be open to what life throws at you – and know that you are going to change, your goals might change – you may take a break from theater – theater will always be here for you.  You will get to a point on the other side of the career hump where you will get to pick and choose projects – or so I hear – and there is a way to balance this career and a family life – it just takes a REALLY patient family.  Know it is going to be an uphill battle, know that there is no straight line to success in this.  KEEP THE PASSION IN YOUR HEART – it’s what is going to help you through this.  Use that passion and be the best you can be, and be open to the challenges this shitty career can throw at you.  Stage Management is not a job choice for weak, meek silly people - it’s a calling for strong leaders, people of vision, and quite possibly caffeine and nicotine addictions.  And if you are truly good at it, there will be a place in the business for you – for the Lord knows there are enough bad stage managers working out there right now. 

But PLEASE remember, if this is your career, make sure it is doing all thing things a career needs to do – pay bills, provide healthcare, insurance, some savings, planning for retirement – otherwise it’s a hobby.  And at some point for your the happiness in your life, you may need to find another career.   If you spending 80 hours a week doing a hobby, then it may be time to find something else as a career – and let the passion burn on the side.  A little theatre can go along way.]

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The job posting has gone missing . . .

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The Green Room / Re: Trivia Tournament IV: Trivia's Revenge!!
« on: Mar 20, 2013, 01:53 am »
Dear god, you know it's a hard trivia when you in 60 seconds you only get five right, but still get the #1 slot with only 8 minutes left in the trivia day.


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College and Graduate Studies / Re: Stage Management Colleges
« on: Mar 19, 2013, 11:40 pm »
Rachel,

I think since you have a desire to stay in VA, the list of schools with good theater programs can't be that long.

I know the head of the program of Virginia Tech, and he's a great guy - and although they have a grad program, it's small enough that I think as an undergrad you will get some good opportunities.  Other then that, I don't know of many outstanding theater programs in VA (And it's not because there isn't any - I am just not that familiar with VA).

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Employment / Re: Resumes - jobs in a few months
« on: Mar 19, 2013, 11:24 pm »
The only problem with just putting them on the cover letter and not on the resume is what if the cover letter get separated from the resume.  If it is a strong listing, make sure it gets on the resume . . . if it suits you needs.

In my hiring, I would save the resume files but not cover letters.  When you get 40-60 resumes to go through, you tend to read the cover letter to figure out which pile the resume goes into - but don't always hold on to the cover letter.

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What happens if you list them chronologically?

At the level you are working, people will know which positions were union and not, and no need to muddy it up with the* everywhere.

It may help you, in that some of the PSM or ASM experience may be mistaken for AEA work.

You could also list

Broadway

Off-Broadway

Regional


Which will continue to highlight some of the biggest credits, and file the rest away in the right category.  I still think people will get the gist of what was union and not.

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Employment / Re: Resumes - jobs in a few months
« on: Mar 19, 2013, 02:13 pm »
Either as Maribeth lists, or you can also just put


Hamlet (Summer, 2013)


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College and Graduate Studies / Re: Millikin?
« on: Mar 19, 2013, 02:04 pm »
I agree with connections being a choice to consider for you education, but you are looking at choosing an undergrad education, and at your age, I think there are other consideration to think about.  But, take my advice with a grain of salt – talk to as many people as you can handle getting advice from. 

Here are my thoughts.


1)   Pick a school where you can get a well-rounded undergrad education, where you feel you are going to be challenged personally as well as academically.   Some of the best lessons you will learn in college have very little to do with what happens in the classroom.  You are going to end up learning a lot about yourself.  You career goals may change, you may change – so don’t pick a school entirely based upon what career choice you think you want at 16, 17 or 18.  That may change drastically.  I think if you are interested in becoming a stage manager, then by all means, pick a school with a theater department – but it should have other programs you may find yourself interested in.

2)   Pick a school where you can get personal attention, and not be just a number.  You are the consumer when choosing a school.  Make a list of what you want, and see how that school can deliver.  It shouldn’t be too small that it doesn’t have the resources you need, but shouldn’t be too big that you are just another number.  Don’t compromise on what maybe the second biggest purchase in your life.  Don’t hurry.  Do you research.

3)   All things being equal, don’t pick an undergrad school with too many grad departments that could take opportunities away from undergrads.  Or, make sure they allow undergrads to have equal opportunities.

4)   All things being equal, pick an undergrad school that is close to where you think you want to work or live.  You will NEVER be able to live as cheap as you will as a student – so why not start making working connections.  If you can go to school in Virginia versus going to school in Chicago . . . one of these are going to offer you more opportunities to make personal connections with working professionals that you can parlay into success.   Yes, professors may be able to introduce you to someone, but what about the chance to actually work and show off your talents in person?  Plus, you may find opportunities in between school assignments to dip you toes into the theater world.  You will see theater in the town, and begin to network form day one in that city.

5)   Pick a school that you can afford without going too far in debt.  The number one piece of advice I can give you for a success in theater is to live a debt free life.  You don’t want have to be a slave to student loan debt.

6)   Pick a school you feel comfortable in.  You will be there for a bit.

7)   Don’t be afraid to change majors, change career choices, change schools.  As you grow older, learn about yourself, you may develop new interests, new goals, new life needs.   I talk a lot about having a u-turn plan in place.  What happens if two years down the line, four years down the line, ten years down the line you figure out this career choice is not for you. In this day and age it’s not uncommon for people to have multiple careers in their lifetime.  Make sure you have the skill set that will allow you to live the life you want.  Stage management is a very hard career, a difficult job and a complicated lifestyle – talk to my husband about some of the challenges, as he sees me packing up for 6+ months away from home.

8)   Be open to the change that comes to you.  That sort of flexibility is important as a stage manager, but more important in life.

9)   Remember, even if you continue in this course as a stage manager, you can succeed in that regardless of your major, your undergrad school choice, or if you go to grad school or not.   (I can make the argument that having an MFA hurt my career for awhile . . . )

10)   Connections are indeed important to get a job, but what is vastly more important is how you are able to handle the job once you get it – being a well-rounded human being is more important sometimes.  A connection gets you an interview, but a career is based upon your proven track record of how you execute the jobs you get.    (And connections you get from school are really only helpful the first three years outside of school, you will have to rely on the connections you get from jobs later on.)

11)   Stay true to who you are, who you are becoming and who you want to be.

When I was picking undergrad schools, I was looking for a pysch program that would prep me from divinity school.  And now, 25 years later, I am a pretty successful stage manager.  I am a completely different person then I was when I was 16 or 17 when I started looking for schools.  Knowing everything I know about myself, would I have chose a different school?  Hard to say, part of the reason I am who I am today is because of the choices I made then.   Two marriages, one kid (who is in college now), a hundred or so productions later, six moves, three career choices later . . . I am the sum of vast experience more then what undergrad school I went to.

Good luck on your choice, if Millikin.  Have fun.  Play safe.

And remember, people are always going to play the School ABC is better then School XYZ.  Remember, that as many people who are saying ABC is best, will also given you ten reasons that School ABC is not a good school.  I disagree that connections are better then the education your receive, but other stage managers will flat out say that without those connections  . . . then it doesn't matter what education you received.  Confused yet?  Welcome to the biz.


Also, there is no need to consider a grad program at this point . . . since you aren't sure where you skillset will be lacking upon graduating undergrad . . . so it would be hard to pick a graduate program until you know what your list of needs will be . . .








Post Merge: Mar 19, 2013, 02:12 pm
Also, make sure you are educated about where a BFA can lead you academically . . . versus a BA.

And will a BFA give your the wide berth of education you want?  Or are you reading for the specialization this early?

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Employment / Re: Resumes - jobs in a few months
« on: Mar 19, 2013, 01:25 pm »
Sure, I think putting current/upcoming projects on your resume makes sense, especially when applying for down the line jobs where you need to fill in the gaps between when you are applying and when you are available.

The only reason not to is if you are not contracted yet for that work, in which case you may be blocking yourself from a better job that comes along (oh, so and so is not available for the this job because they are doing this summer fringe show . . . let's move on to the next person.)  But, if you are contracted and the next gig is good enough to turn down other work - then go ahead and list it.


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The Hardline / LORT --> Commercial Transfers
« on: Mar 19, 2013, 12:12 am »
Looking to talk to stage managers privately about shows transferring from LORT to Broadway and their experiences . . . .drop me a line . . .

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Employment / Re: Resumes - one page and beyond
« on: Mar 18, 2013, 11:24 pm »

Matthew, you've leveled up and have the XP/HP to look at employment opportunities that are waaay out of range for a noob.



MADE MY YEAR!!!!!!!!! To bring it down to role playing terms makes it all make sense now.


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Employment / Resumes - one page and beyond
« on: Mar 18, 2013, 10:25 pm »
I have a honest question . . .

and this if for those more season, or those in hiring, or actually anyone who may have had a discussion about this recently.

Given we are NOT giving hard copies of our resumes any more - why keep it to one page?

I am struggling at this point to figure out how to put myself one one page . . .

currently, my full resume (NOT MY CV) is 5 pages . . .

I feel like I can go a couple of ways now . . .

Do a one page highlight version - where I pick the greatest hits, and mention the fact I was at some of these theaters for three to six years?

Do a one page version for classical theater?
Do a one page version for musical theater?
Do a one page version for new theater?

Or say screw it, and stick to the five pages - but I feel like it comes off as a bit overwhelming, and I am not quite getting the response I would like back on some cold sends.

Thoughts?





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list the email, with a note
currently working over seas.

should do the trick.

they can drop them an email and figure out how to talk to each other.

my last recommendation I gave out I did over skype.


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The Green Room / Re: Show me your mugs! (Or water bottles)
« on: Mar 15, 2013, 02:19 am »

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Here's my advice.

Don't work a day job.

Or if you have to, set a time period like 6 or 9 months.  In that time, pay off as much debt as you can, and figure out how to leave as lean and tight as you can.

At some point, if you are going to do this full time, as your career - it needs to pay you, as a career does.  If you give yourself an out - like a day job - it allows you to take either take low/no-paying jobs.  These can be great for building up your resume, but eventually you need to make money at this.

You also run the risk of discovering that indeed, you day job is infinitely more appealing then stage managing - and the day job will take over your life - why?  because it's easier and more secure - and chances are, more lucrative.

If you can't get enough money to pay for your life by stage management, then, to be brutally honest, perhaps you should choose another career - and just stage manage as a hobby.  The job market has a way to tell if you are good enough to make in the biz.

Now, if you want to work in the field with a day job . . . then things like box office, office admin for a theater, rentals, etc would work.  Or, just find a nice office temp job. 

My last day job was for a health care management company (we administrated a nation wide HMO locally).  I was a temp, but survived three rounds of lay-offs, and was eventually offered a full-time management position.  I went out to lunch with everyone, and asked the rest of the staff I worked with, what they wanted to be when they grew up - a writer, a musician, an architect - but all had been side tracked by their day job which turned into the real career.  I made the decision then and there that stage management was going to be my career and have never worked a day job since - that was 16 years ago.   Now, once you yank away the security net of a day job, you hustle your a** off to get a job.  You start planning long term. 

It hasn't been easy.  But, it was the only way - I was tempted once to quit this career - it's a hard damn career to make a living at. 


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