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The stage manager as authority to note the show is something that needs to be established form the get go.  It is artistic conversation that needs to start right away, with the stage manager establishing his or herself as part of the artistic team.  Many directors/artistic directors don't trust the stage manager to give artistic notes because they stage manager has not an artistic bone in their body, no directing experience, or, throughout the process, didn't express an artistic thought or seem to be on the side of the artistic team in the process.  Now, I don't know what happened in this particular process, but if the stage manager either didn't or wasn't allowed to establish themselves as an artistic authority for the show, it will be nearly impossible for the stage manager to give notes effectively.  (This is also a problem when a SM takes over a show.)

My advice is to try to give notes as questions first . . . engage in conversation about artistic.  (This helped me a lot as younger stage manager . . . dealing with actors much older then me.)

If the note is about new business added in a scene . . . let us say a bit about a actor playing with a hat that is upstaging another actor.

SM:  Do you have a minute?  I wanted to talked to you about the first scene, how do you think it went today?

A:  Good.

SM: Was the hat business new?

A: Oh, you noticed it.  Yeah, I was trying something new.

SM: How did it work for you?

A: (Now usually, when I call an actor on a new piece of business they will admit that it was a bad idea and offer to stop, but for argument's sake . . . ) I thought it was really funny.

SM: It was, but it is upstaging Cathy with her scene Derek.

A: Do you think?

SM: I think so.  Why don't we cut back on the hat business, and let Cathy and Derek play their scene as directed, I just don't want the focus to become too split.

Usually at this point, the Actor realizes they were caught and will let the show go on. 

Now, if they are really fighting for the hat moment, I will contact the director, sometimes brilliant discoveries are one after opening - I know, shocking - and I am not one to belittle the rehearsal process, but it happens.

In this particular case, with the Artistic Director not much caring either, perhaps this theatre does not see it as the stage manager's job to artistically maintain the show.  (At my theatre, a major regional theatre, we have resident Assistant Director's who maintain the show.)  If that is the case, and they don't expect or want you to maintain it, then don't fight it.  Enjoy less responsibility.



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Students and Novice Stage Managers / Re: Shadowing: General Q&A
« on: Aug 08, 2008, 06:28 pm »
When in DC . . . look me up at the Shakespeare Theatre in Washington DC (we are doing King Lear with Stacey Keach and Design for Living, as well as Taming of the Shrew).

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Employment / Re: What comes next
« on: Jul 29, 2008, 11:07 pm »
Congrats!

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College and Graduate Studies / Re: Best schools for SM.
« on: Jul 29, 2008, 09:58 pm »
I think posting a request for schools with good tech theatre programs is going lead to a lot of “I liked my school” responses.  There are lots of universities with good technical theatre programs in the country, but what is good for one person, may not be right to you.  Take a listen to why a specific program worked for that person.  Some schools have highly specialized undergrad stage management programs, and they may draw a high proportion of people who want to be stage managers . . . which may mean more competition.  Going to school with a strong grad program may mean more money and more resources for the theatre department, but may mean you may have less opportunities to stage manage.  You may to be able to carve out your program, so going to smaller school where you can make up your own program might be ideal.  (Wouldn’t be great to get college credit for stage management outside of school?  Would you rather get credit for an internship, thus working in a professional environment?  Would you rather work just on campus?)


The problem is what is or was a good program for one person, may not make it a good program for another person.  (Getting to know what pedagogical methods work for you may help a lot in your decision.)


I also think that at 16 or 17 you are putting a lot of pressure in deciding your major – I think a lot of young people want to do theatre so bad, and end up choosing stage management before they get a really good picture of what the professional life is.   

I feel like the first step of myself as an educator of those in stage management is to present a very realistic picture of the career:
1)   The hours can be 60 – 80 hours per week.  Six days a week, and if your lucky 52 weeks a year.
2)   There is a possibility of lots of travel.  Which means settling down, forming relationships is hard.
3)   There is a pretty steep career arch – lots of young people competing for a relatively small pool of jobs.  And many, many strong experienced people competing for the top tier jobs.
4)   Look at the AEA Annual 06-07 report http://www.actorsequity.org/docs/about/AEA_Annual_06-07.pdf   
Notice the following: 
a)   an average equity member only worked 17 weeks per year (yes some worked 52, but that means a lot worked 0 weeks)
b)   The Median Member Earning was $7,239 a year.
c)   There were 28,593 work weeks for people on stage manager contracts . . . that means there was full time work for about 550 stage managers.  (Which terrifies me when I think there are 2000 members of this web site)
d)   Look at the salaries for each level . . . if you average 25 weeks (which 150% of the average) even at the top salary you are going to make about $50,000 per tax.  Not bad.  If you are doing it in LORT theater, you are only making about $25,000.00  Doing it at Off-Broadway, you are pulling in almost $17,000.00 per tax (in NYC).  Make sure you know what you are getting into.
e)   BUT . . . please note all of these figures are skewed by the larger amount of actors in the union, and the larger number of AEA actors who don’t seek work but hold onto their card.  Stage Managers tend to work more weeks then your average actor.  But get to know the business side of this.

This is why I suggest to all young people is go to the best school for you and get the best ALL AROUND undergrad education you can.   You may change your major, so going to a school where you have a good education no matter what major you choose is important. 

These are my suggestions for picking the right school for anyone, and if you want to be a stage manager.

1)   Look into as many schools as you possible have time.  This is a major decision.  The more schools you look at, the better.  Seek advice from everyone, but look at as many schools as possible.

2)   Make sure you look at schools that fall in different ranges – reach high – schools you may not think you can get into, pick some schools which will be a challenge, and look at safety schools.

3)   Look into community college.  THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT CAN BE SAVED.  Graduating and going into theatre with a lot of student loan debt can be very problematic and frustrating.  Getting the basics done at a cheap rate and then transferring can help you save money.

4)   Like real estate look into location.  You say east coast – but going to school in Florida is different the Maine, Vermont or New York.

5)   Where do you want to end up living?  If you are thinking about living in New York – then I would recommend going to school either in or close to New York.  You will never live as a cheap as you will in school, so why not break in the big city on the cheap, with financial aide and mom and dad helping.  (And at 18, you are lot more flexible then a 22 year old moving into the city, or me at 30.)  Although you may not end up living in the city you go to school for the rest of your life, you will most likely be making connections to the local theatre center, or at least the regional theatre scene.  So why not pick one that has a good/great theater scene you could work in.

6)   Money is a huge factor – especially with out economy.  Again, not getting into debt is huge.  Private versus public schools will play into this.

7)   Besides Music and Theatre, does the school have school have other things to tickle your fancy.  Do you want to join a Greek Society?  (Although it’s hard doing Greek and Theatre).  Sports?  SCA?  (I had to add that one). LGBT issues? 

8)   Big city or small town? 

9)   Do you want to be in a small school where you will get more attention?  Or do you want to get lost in big school?  (My suggestion is large school, smaller theatre program – I kind of enjoyed being in a huge Econ class, so I could hide – but loved being part of a smaller theatre program).

10)   How culturally diverse do you want the school to be?

11)   Then look at the theatre program . . .

a.   How high do you want to rank in prestige?  Going to Yale is impressive.

b.   Do you want a BA?  BFA?

c.   Do you want to go to a program that is conservatory based or more traditional undergrad program?

d.   Do you want a program that specifically has a SM program (again more competition) or a general theatre program that will let you Stage Manage.

e.   Do you want a specific stage management instructor?  (Get the bio, and see what they have done.)  Write them and ask for specifics about their program.

f.   Do you want a program that requires/offers an internship?

g.   Does the school have a grad program in stage management?  If so, you will be competing for grad students for assignments more then likely.  They will usually get priority, but sometimes not.  Find out.  In my dream world, look carefully at schools that have grad programs in acting/design but not stage management – and look into if under grads do their stage management . . . this way there would be more resources for you to work with.

h.   For stage management, make sure they have some directing classes you can take – an often over looked area of study for stage managers.  I would recommend at least a year of directing, and, if possible directing a show.  Be wary of schools that want to pigeon hole you and don’t let you dabble.  To be a good stage manager you need to have the soul of an artist, the mind of a director, the eye of a designer, the joy of being an actor, and the ability to manage them all.

i.   Look for schools that have specific arts management classes and basic management classes.  I am appalled I made it through years of stage management undergrad without being recommended at taking ONE basic management principals class or project management.  (Hint:  Find schools that have some sort of Business Management Program you can take an intro or specific class).

j.   Look at what their class requirements are – are they going to make you do mostly lit with little production?  Are there huge tech requirements?

k.   Look at production photos.  Look at their season.  Are they doing the type of shows you want to do?  (Musicals – Classical Theatre – New Work – Dance – Opera – big shows – small shows – high production values).  For example, one school I looked at had a huge playwriting program, so they did a lot of new work.  I was terrified about having a resume filled with shows no one ever head of.

l.   Does the school have a professional theatre attached?  What opportunities does that open to you?


I think once you put together a shopping list of what you personally are looking for, you will have a much easier search.  Go through and list everything that, right now, you feel is important, and rank them.  Get all the advice you can (look through old posts, wait for people to respond to you), and then compare them to you wish list.  With the list, contact the theatre department directly.  Ask if there are stage management students you can talk to.  (Remember, they are going to connect you with stars in the program most likely, so answers maybe skewed.)  Be wary of any program that won’t connect you with an either a current student (maybe not in your discipline) or an alumni. 

As you continue to research, you may find new things you are looking for.  (Like, I really want a program where undergrads get to direct or produce their own work), and add that to your list.  Some of the questions will very easily pare down the list of college (like public schools in big cities in the North East – like New York and New Jersey). 

Then, this may seem totally counterintuitive.  Find schools that are the opposite of what you are looking for – like if you want a big school in a big city, look at a couple of small schools in small towns and see what you like from those schools and if you are missing that from the schools you have short listed.

At the very end, visit these schools.  See a show.  Talk to the professors. Talk to Students.  Talk to Alumni. You will be amazed about how quickly you will be able to feel if this is the right place for you, or if this just doesn’t fit.  I remember walking on campus and feeling ultimately too conservative for a very artsy-fartsy school.  You will feel safe on a campus, or you may not.  If it involves moving to a big city, see how you feel about the big city.

AND REMEMBER . . . transferring is not a failure.  You may quickly out grow a program or your needs change.  Remember, you will be paying a lot of money for this . . . make sure to get what you want or need.

Sorry – long post.  But I think if you get the tools to pick the right college, it’s better then a list of schools people thing are good schools.  Again, I had a great time at UC Santa Barbara, but I don’t think it’s the right theatre school for everyone.

PS

Take a look at this site . . . http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/rankindex_brief.php . . . it might open your eyes to some programs you may not have thought of.

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Like in the business it doesn't matter what you know, it's who you know. 

Best advice is to submerge yourself in the new york city scene, PA a bit, get in good with Broadway SM's and go from there.  I think if you ask 20 Broadway SM's how to get to be a stage manager on Broadway, you will get 20 different answers. 

Work had, schmooze and network.

Best of luck - lot's of people want to make it to Broadway.



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True - I have mentioned that before - being a father was the single best thing I could do to become a better stage manager.

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The Hardline / Re: Staged Reading in NY
« on: Jul 27, 2008, 01:06 pm »
Expectations for SMs for readings varies quite a bit.

I would discuss what the final presentation will be so you know what you are aiming for.

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I think the general tone about not putting up with abuse is good about this - finding your line, what acceptable level of "bad behavior" you will put is part of your style.  And it's great that this business is changing what is acceptable behavior, but until everyone learns new rules, there will always be a place for stage managers who have the thickest skin and can put up with the worse of the worse form actors and stage managers.  (There will always be difficult, demanding actors, directors and designers - and a place for SMs who can work with them.) 

Again, I don't think the actress is unstable, nor insane - and I think that perhaps very few people are taking a moment to see it from the actor's point of view.  The SM is a replacement stage manager (she probably is the one who knows the show the least, other then the new actors they are putting into the show).  The evening of the event the composer/musical director/possible producer did sort keep going over rehearsal time, and then sort of slammed the non-equity actors by asking them to stay late (not the best atmosphere - and how many thing this was the first time).  We also assume the SM was not at the fault of this - the SM may be coming across as speaking down to them (I see this all the time).  At the end of the day, this is sort of a SM Said/Actor Said situation.  I would love to get the actress side of the story, especially before we call her insane.

And you can apologize, with out telling someone it is your fault.  "I am sorry you feel this way." "I am sorry this situation has gotten out of control."  "I am sorry, I never saw the situation from the point of view."  "I am sorry that this has gotten you so angry.  Can we discuss this tomorrow?  Later tonight?  Over drinks?"  You have to learn how to diffuse these tense situations - with yelling or without yelling.  I have dealt with a lot of actors talking them down form quitting a show because they don't like A, B or C.

The SM in question handled it well, although I think walking away is often NOT the best thing to do - it sends off all the wrong non-verbal communication.  (And if indeed she is unstable or insane, who wants to turn their back on the insane ;-) )

Again, I think there is perhaps an age and gender angle to this situation - where I feel like as a middle aged man, I can take childish people yelling at me and sort of shrug it off - it's amazing how often I get complimented on how I don't let it get to me and how I don't get sucked up into it - and how I actually I seem more in control of a situation by just letting it bounce off me. 

But again, that is my personal style.

I am getting worked up because it seems like no one is stopping to see it form RB's point of view - which I think is important.


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Stage Management: Plays & Musicals / Re: Taping the Prop Table
« on: Jul 26, 2008, 07:53 am »
My only problem with outlining the physical prop is what if the prop changes?  Do you have to redo the entire butcher paper?

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Employment / Re: Right season to send resumes??
« on: Jul 23, 2008, 09:52 am »
I think January - March is ideal for LORT seasons and summer theater situations.



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One of the reasons to have a separate director and stage manager, even in the running of the show, is binocular vision. 

When putting a show together having a director, various designers, stage managers and actors all bring separate points of view to make the show strong coming from different points of view.

During a run, when a stage manager watches the show on a daily basis, it is actually harder to maintain a show then a director who comes and sees a show once a week. 

Look at a flip book and compare a picture on page 6 and page 7.  It's hard to notice those differences, but look at page 6 and page 13 and you should have an easier time to see what's going on.

There is also something about a show opening and leaving behind the director and the rehearsal process and moving on to a new phase.  I have found no matter how nice the rehearsal process is, most actors are thrilled to move on to performance phase, and leave behind the rehearsal phase.  I'd worry that what ever tension may exist between director and the actors during the rehearsal process would carry over into the run of the show - which could be very problematic.


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it depends on where you are shadowing and what type of show you are shadowing.

I would say 3 months out is perhaps as far out as you would want to start arranging it, with about 4-2 weeks being ideal.



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Employment / Re: Should I quit my day job?
« on: Jul 20, 2008, 07:32 pm »
It's amazing what your career will do and what you will do for your career if you make the decision ONLY to make money by stage managing.

When you give yourself the option of a day job, it often slows your career down.

Best of luck on your decision.

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Employment / Re: Should I quit my day job?
« on: Jul 20, 2008, 12:16 pm »
Interesting, you didn't mention passing on the stage management job to stick with the day job.

Are you looking to do theatre as your full time job?  Specifically, stage management?

Eventually there comes up a point when you need to make a decision if you are going to do this, stage management, full time or not, and this is the decision you need to make.  If you make the decision to ONLY make you income from stage management, then you will start making some decisions about what sort of jobs you make.

Some questions to ask back to you?

1) Do you live in an community that can support you as an AEA SM?  (The hour commute makes me wonder a bit.)  If you can't work locally and make a living, then you will have to travel.

2) I don't think you age matter, you need to look at the experience you have and how marketable you are against all the other stage managers in the country.  See, the thing is - if you can work locally and succeed at that, you are at asset to local AEA theaters - they don't have to house an out of town SM.  If you have to work "out of town"  then you are competing with every other SM out there (Broadway level on down.)

3) I think the major thing is you need to discuss this with your husband.  Being a stage manager caused my divorce - it still causes no end of strife at home with my current partner. 

4) It seems like your $400 nut a week is not that bad - I wish mine was as small - but how much is the SM position offering?  Do you think you can average $400.00 a week over 52 weeks? 

My suggestion ask if you can take the leave of absence, as you are missing a huge piece of information.

You may need to pass on the SM job. 

You should either do this a job, and it needs to pay your bills, or you need to do it as a hobby, and it can interfere with the job that pay the bills.

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I wonder too if my perspective is different as a woman. I don't mean to open the thread to a Male v. female SM arguement, but I do feel like that might have something to do with my POV being different than Matt's here (and I don't mean to pick on you Matt...)

Male, female, straight, gay - being a different person may effect where you draw the line and what you consider acceptable versus abuse.

Again, I am not someone who is walked over; I considered myself a very strong willed stage manager with a strong backbone who is able to stand up to a lot and I, to be honest, I am known for working with difficult people and succeeding in that.  Again, I have never been a part of anything (save on conversation) that I considered abuse - and the one conversation became the basis of a long conversation with the producers and the artistic director about why this director and I should not work together again, and perhaps why this director is NOT good for the organization I was working with at the time.

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