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What if you can't find a stage management job?
« on: Mar 03, 2010, 05:42 pm »
I have applied to over 30 summer places since December. I have had 4 interviews, and still haven't obtained a position. I have had 3 Stage Management Internships, 2 Company Management at reputable companies. I have  B.A. in theatre and have worked at professional companies. I've had a mock interview with a PSM who says my interviewing is not what is preventing me from finding a position. I spend hours searching job search engines and individual websites. My second job is applying for jobs.
So my questions are what else can I do?
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Re: What if you can't find a stage management job?
« Reply #1 on: Mar 04, 2010, 11:50 am »
As I have posted before, the world of stage management is a very competitive work environment, especially for “living wage” and above jobs.  The economy has impact us in a grave manner, with shows closing, theatre’s tightening budgets, doing small shows and eliminating non-union required positions (such as PA, and interns).  There is no magic answer to “how do I get a job”, but, without knowing the specifics of your situation, let me respectfully offer this generic advice.

1)   Are you applying for the right level of job?  Are you just starting off and are you applying to far up the career track?  (Should you be applying for PA jobs versus applying for PSM jobs).  Note:  Sometimes you can be desperate for work, and apply UNDER your position.  I was recently applying for jobs to fill a gap in my season, and sort of sent out some resumes to summer stock theatres; job paying 1/6 of what I make – absolutely no response.  In this business, sometimes there is something as “over qualified”.
2)   Are you applying at the right theatre level for you?  (should be submitting for more summer stock situations to beef up your resume versus applying to Broadway jobs – okay, that’s an extreme example, but I think you get the point.)
3)   Are you able to open up your search geographically?  I find a lot of your stage managers don’t really want to leave a certain geographical zone.  But there are a lot of good reasons why to do so . . .
a.   If you are having trouble finding work locally, it means that there is either a shortage of local jobs or excesses of stage managers.
b.   There is something about a theatre hiring a non-local that is good for them.  They are bringing in new blood and someone who is only there to focus on the work they are doing.
c.   It also gets you exposed to an entirely different market.
4)   Look at how you are marketing yourself? 
a.   Is resume to generic?  I find a lot of young stage managers throw every single theatre thing they have ever done on their resumes (painted a set, observe a show, worked box office).  In this age of computers, your should be able to customize your resume for the job your applying.  And, at some point in your career you are going to want a “stage management” only resume.  When I am looking for an AEA stage manager, when I see too much “other experience” it reads to me like they don’t have faith in their skills as a stage manager, or, that they professionally lack focus.
b.   Are you just responding to add?  Are you sending out resumes cold?  Are you just e-mailing?  Just sending in hard copies?  If what you are doing isn’t working, try shaking it up.
5)   Request a courtesy interview.  A theatre company many not be hiring right away, but if you reach out and ask to meet with whomever is hiring, they are putting a name to a face and to a person.  I find that I am probably 50% more likely to hire a person I have met then hire them just off a phone interview.  (In fact, I am now implementing a rule where, besides interns, I am avoiding hiring ANYONE that I don’t spend at least 45 minutes with in the same room.)
6)   Network, schmooze.


And then be prepared with the plan B.

You say your second job is applying for job – that’s the life of a freelance stage manager.  I remember when I was freelancing, I would spend sometime during pre-production and update the resume and send it out – with a little note describing the project I just started.

I would also, after re-reading your post, avoid doing another internship.  There comes a point where people will see you as just an intern (same thing is true as a PA – if you PA too long, then that’s what you get labeled as . . . not that there is anything wrong with being a PA . . . but if that is not your end career goal, you should take the next step.)

Good luck, and keep us updated.
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Re: What if you can't find a stage management job?
« Reply #2 on: Mar 04, 2010, 01:38 pm »
I would look at working in the Community Theatre circuit.  Community Theatres are usually happy to have someone apply who actually has a Theatre Degree.  How about working crew both community and college or civic
auditorium(s)?  Managment can observe your tech and SM skills and you may land a job higher up the ladder that leads to SM jobs.

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Re: What if you can't find a stage management job?
« Reply #3 on: Mar 07, 2010, 11:25 am »
4)   Look at how you are marketing yourself? 
a.   Is resume to generic?  I find a lot of young stage managers throw every single theatre thing they have ever done on their resumes (painted a set, observe a show, worked box office).  In this age of computers, your should be able to customize your resume for the job your applying.  And, at some point in your career you are going to want a “stage management” only resume.  When I am looking for an AEA stage manager, when I see too much “other experience” it reads to me like they don’t have faith in their skills as a stage manager, or, that they professionally lack focus.

Is the "other experience" (sound, lights, acting, directing, etc...) a positive thing for a stage manager to have experience in? We have to deal with those fields as stage managers. I'd think showing concrete examples of those specialties is better than having a stage management resume that is half empty. Or should the typeface simply be made larger or the resume style edited to compensate? What is the point in a career that we only list stage management experience?

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Re: What if you can't find a stage management job?
« Reply #4 on: Mar 07, 2010, 01:15 pm »
Is the "other experience" (sound, lights, acting, directing, etc...) a positive thing for a stage manager to have experience in? We have to deal with those fields as stage managers. I'd think showing concrete examples of those specialties is better than having a stage management resume that is half empty. Or should the typeface simply be made larger or the resume style edited to compensate? What is the point in a career that we only list stage management experience?

Yes, early in your career it might be helpful to fill in concrete examples, but there does come a point in your career where that just muddies your strength and career goals - if you are marketing yourself as a full time, professional stage manager, and that is what I am hiring for - then all I really care about is your stage management skills - there is a basic assumption that you will know about lighting, scenic, props, costumes, etc.

Now if you are applying for an education position (internship) or an early-career position (such as a PA, or non-AEA ASM), then by all means, fill out your resume with such related experience, but be careful.  I have had resumes which list ten shows as stage management but 20 other things.  I really have to ask how much focus are they putting into their career, and maybe stage management is not the primary focus.

The question is when in your career is right to drop those things?  It depends on your resume, your experience and where you are in your career - and to be honest, what sort of jobs you are applying for. 

That's why I think customizing your resume for the job is really the way to go.

(To be honest, I am more interested in seeing resumes with production management or directing/assistant-directing experience then specific run crew position - I am hiring managers, so having people with management experience is vastly more important then if they know how to do a quick change.)
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Re: What if you can't find a stage management job?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 08, 2010, 02:24 am »
Thanks for the replies...they have helped me think about different options.

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Re: What if you can't find a stage management job?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 08, 2010, 10:06 am »
4)   Look at how you are marketing yourself? 
a.   Is resume to generic?  I find a lot of young stage managers throw every single theatre thing they have ever done on their resumes (painted a set, observe a show, worked box office).  In this age of computers, your should be able to customize your resume for the job your applying.  And, at some point in your career you are going to want a “stage management” only resume.  When I am looking for an AEA stage manager, when I see too much “other experience” it reads to me like they don’t have faith in their skills as a stage manager, or, that they professionally lack focus.

Is the "other experience" (sound, lights, acting, directing, etc...) a positive thing for a stage manager to have experience in? We have to deal with those fields as stage managers. I'd think showing concrete examples of those specialties is better than having a stage management resume that is half empty. Or should the typeface simply be made larger or the resume style edited to compensate? What is the point in a career that we only list stage management experience?

I've had them listed under "relevant skills" on my resume (though as my resume gets more defined, I'm thinking of cutting them out). Things like spotlight op, former light/sound installer, etc. I've had people comment on it in interviews because they ARE skills that can help if something goes wrong during a production and you're the only one there to deal with it.
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Re: What if you can't find a stage management job?
« Reply #7 on: Mar 08, 2010, 07:45 pm »
Things like spotlight op, former light/sound installer, etc. I've had people comment on it in interviews because they ARE skills that can help if something goes wrong during a production and you're the only one there to deal with it.

All I am saying is there will come a point in one's career where that is just assumed you know how to deal with the things.

More advance things like automation, foy, SFX, etc . . . may warrant a place on your resume, but I think those things may be better in your cover letter . . .
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